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What's in a name?

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This entry was posted on 9/11/2006 5:08 PM and is filed under General Discussion.

I respect your site. I think it's fantastic. I was just turned on to it by a family member. 

 

I am a black male. My father, brother, and uncles all served proudly in our U.S. military.  I was, and still am, a very proud former Air Force dependent. 

 

However, I do take issue with the fact that you have chosen to identify your site and organization by using race as your primary nom de plume. I think you are doing more damage than good, unless you only want blacks to support your site. 

 

Seems like you might have learned from other black organizations that have made the same "mistake" in the past. Though I'd like to further support your organization, I would not. Not until we stop shooting ourselves in the foot by creating self-defeating, racist labels to identify organizations and ourselves. 

 

Though you may not agree with me, I am entitled to express my opinion. I'm not the only black who feels this way. I'd also like to support the NAACP, but it doesn't support injustice no matter the color, it only supports black people. See the pattern here? White people catch hell at the slightest hint of racism. Can you imagine a proud organization called "White Military World.com"? Would you be OK with that? I wouldn't.

 

Not to worry though, there are organizations that support all people, including black people, that do not feel the need to choose exclusionary names for their organizations. They may be more difficult to find, but they are indeed worth finding and supporting. 

 

Racism can be very subtle. To suggest that something is "black" or "white" you're only perpetuating what I for one live to eradicate. Being proud is good. Remaining ignorant is bad.

 

I wish you well with your site. I hope that over time it will evolve into something that ALL people can feel comfortable supporting.


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    • 9/11/2006 5:52 PM No Name Given wrote:
      Although I agree to some extent with your opinion, I'm persuaded by reality. In a perfect world, color or race doesn't matter, but we both know we are far from it. If we as a people (African Americans) intend to progress then we must learn to look at each other and realize that our destines are intertwined, to a large extent because we are black. When we do that we have no choice but to seek to work together towards some common good.

      This website is to educate, honor and uplift black people. Our true heroes have been neglected by our people and this nation for too long. Washington DC is full of monuments, parks and shrines to those who fight for America and made it what it is today. This gives a great sense of pride to those who look like the folks in the monuments. However, there isn't even a government sponsored stick or a twig honoring the hordes of blacks that fought to the death for America.  If this website is not  a "Black Military World", which seeks to fill this wide gap, then what is it? Let's call it what it is.
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      1. 9/12/2006 8:30 PM Darmel Hudson wrote:
        While I respect that "What's in a Name" has the right to his opinion, the fact that he doesn't release his name says a lot. When I received this link from a dear friend, I got excited just at the name, to be honest. Having been the wife of a military man for greater than 26 years and also having lost a son in Iraq at the age of 20, I felt a site dedicated to Black military personnel was long overdue. Furthermore, after opening the link and exploring the site, I was overjoyed at not being disappointed. This is an excellent site! As for the name, while the aforementioned gentleman has a point, I think the intention and weight of the sight far outweigh his meager point. What's in a name? A lot, and the name of this site says just that.
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      2. 9/13/2006 8:20 PM Diane wrote:
        Wonderfully said. This is important because black people have to realize that exclusion is not okay. Most would never go to a site honoring whites and say the same thing. Harm is not knowing about these brave soldiers, their unique plights, (recent recruitment of white supremacists), and their unique contributions. I love this site and just found out about it today. My father served in the Navy and his memory will die with me. Perhaps now this won't have to be the case for so many others.
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      3. 5/9/2007 5:44 PM MSG Belt wrote:
        Okay, now you need to retract your ridiculous comment that there are no government funded tributes to black military participation in the various military excursions which the U.S. has undertaken. If you go to the Vietnam war memorial, right next to it is an awesome sculpture of a black soldier. I took a photo of it when I was last there if you need evidence. Also if you check, the names of the black soldiers who lost their lives in the war were included on the Vietnam war memorial. And you know what? There is no distinction of which race the names on the memorial represent. Oh, have you been to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas? There is an absolutely beautiful monument there which pays tribute to the "Buffalo Soldiers." They were black americans who fought in the indian wars. I also have a great pic of that if you need it. Here once again we see the problem with internet postings by uninformed people which simply are not based on facts. Those who read postings like yours receive a reaffirmation of their own ill-informed notions and ideas and no one gets educated, just more pissed off. I have only mentioned two examples of how blacks have been included in public military memorials and there are more...but I only needed to document ONE to completely disprove the premise of your weak-ass posting. Mission accomplished, and I would encourage all to visit the aforementioned memorials. By the way, I am a white man and I would like to say that black americans need to be aware that if they don't get back to enlisting in the military and joining the ROTC programs which lead to commissioning as an officer, there is going to be a noticeable deficit in black leadership in the military in the coming years. A recent news article on the Army's AKO website highlights the fact that the percentage of blacks joining the Army has dropped to nine percent. For a long time it was in the twenty percent range(since the Army became all volunteer.) Now if blacks are not joining because they hate this war, then that's fine, but don't start crying about it ten or twelve years from now when there are very few black Majors, LTC's, Master Sergeants, and First Sergeants. I'm sorry but I don't think the Army will use affirmative action to artificially beef up those numbers. If whites and hispanics carry the load now, then they will be the majority of the leadership in the future. Nice website, I think the name of it limits the readership and as another post stated, would there be outrage at "White Military World"? I'll keep reading it though, because I have an open mind and the site does give a unique insight into what's on the mind of some of my fellow soldiers and members of the other services. Rich
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    • 9/12/2006 7:40 AM LCDR Mel Gordon wrote:
      I just got turned on to your site and feel it was over due by many years. I must comment to "What's in a name." People who love true documented history regardless of their ethnicity and name of website will flock to this website for facts. As a Navy Officer I freely took an oath to defend anyone right to speak freely about their beliefs; however, I'm always confused when someone speaks freely of how they feel---but don't have the courage to sign their name to their thoughts. So provide your name and I'll be glad to respond to your thoughts and tell you how I feel on the matter to engage in a civil debate. Please tag my name to this reply if it makes the cut for print. If the name is changed to anything else, you will lose this viewer. Overdue and God Bless you for taking the initiative to make this website happen.
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    • 9/12/2006 10:07 AM Annie Wilson wrote:
      I'm not in the military but talk about something "long overdue". Yesterday my 13 year-old daughter spent two hour glued to the internet. Tears came to my eyes when I notice that she was on your website, in the "history" section of all places. She even asked to stay up late to finish reading about Vietnam. (The war in which her grandfather was killed.) Perhaps now she feels more like an "American". Lord knows, WE'VE PAID FOR IT! She’s already thinking about going into the military as doctor. I have told EVERYBODY I know about this website. Plus, this is the only national black media resource that is not focused on celebrities and sports stars. OK, are ya feeling me.

      As for your comments about the name of the website, I love ya my brother, but I have to disagree. You obliviously have no problems with using black as an identifier because you referred to yourself as a "black" male. Well then, why can't this be the “Black Military World" website? What's the difference?

      Also, please feel free to use my name. Annie C. Wilson, Queens, NY
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    • 9/12/2006 10:15 AM MAJ Danavan Bussey wrote:
      I agree with Commander Gordon, we as a people have so much to say until it affects our bottom line. Let's stand up for what we say and stop living in that bag of crabs always pulling each other down. If you can't help someone, tell them you can't, If you can, then do it. I try to uplift every person around me, but I also try to keep the negative out of the conversation or advise.

      V/r
      Danavan
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    • 9/12/2006 6:45 PM Robert Bell - Nashville TN wrote:
      Alright let's not be too hard on the brother. He's probably not old enough to remember a song that we grooved to in the late 60's while I was ducking bullets in Viet Nam. The song was called, "Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud! You should try to find that song, my Brother. I can't believe how far  backwards we've fallen since those days.

      Robert J. Bell, Viet Nam Vet., Nashville,TN
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      1. 9/12/2006 8:41 PM Darmel Hudson wrote:
        I sure appreciated the Vietnam Vet, Robert Bell and his reminiscence about an old, but great historic song, "Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud." My brother, boyfriend, and many other sacrificing Black males were also dodging bullets in Viet Nam when that song played on radios across the world; not just in this country. I was grateful for what that song stood for and I am also grateful for what this website stands for.
        Darmel Hudson
        Texas, USA
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      2. 9/13/2006 9:15 PM Regina wrote:
        The MLK episode of "The Boondocks" caught alot of flack, but the truth of the matter is; Dr. King would be appalled by the "Black" society of today. I'm Black & I'm Proud!!! I feel that this site is long overdue and it is beautiful! It it not a racist statement to be proud of your heritage and I'm sure that somewhere on the almighty net, is a site for "Caucasion American History"! Sincerely,
        AF Brat: Regina Smith
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    • 9/13/2006 8:44 AM T Carter wrote:
      I don't understand why some of us are so focused on whether or not the author of "What's in a name?" provided his name or not. Does it really matter? Can you really tell a lot by whether he provided his name or not? Really? Hmmm.

      Well as long as we are guessing, let me throw mine in. I have seen too many blogs were providing a name only provides fuel for the immature to start making guesses at your ethnicity, or economic status. He is a black male with a family tradition of serving in the military. That is fine with me.
      Now for the issue. To me it really boils down as to whether you want the organization to be exclusive or if all are welcome. Labeling your organization with your race or ethnicity is polarizing. For example, is there any doubt who the Chinese American Club is for? For a contrarian example, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) achieves its goals without putting the adjective Jewish in the organizations title. I assume they wanted all to feel welcome. Is BLACKMILITARYWORLD.COM only for us of African descent? If it implies a broader group then the name does not imply that. If it is only for blacks then mission accomplished.
      Thanks. T Carter, US Army 1989-1996.
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    • 9/13/2006 2:41 PM James wrote:
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      I do think that this is one outstanding website and IS sorely needed, I do agree with the writer that said that this site could be better served by helping all military members. Like a few others here, I'm a third generation soldier and while I'm black I don't use my race as a crutch; and I don't use it as a me against them; something that happens alot with black people. With that in mind, please don't exclude anyone from this site, don't make it a "for us by us" style of site, but rather make it able to welcome anyone, give all a place to learn, and maybe open a few eyes and minds and move the military foward. Thank you, and One Team One Fight!
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    • 9/13/2006 9:42 PM Stephanie wrote:
      I am not sure why some people have assumed that this website is not intended for everyone just because of its name. The name is black military world because it has information about blacks serving in the military throughout history. It's just that simple. I do not know too much about military history let alone the roll that blacks have played in it and I am glad that this site provides information for those who seek it. This is a good site and should be accepted by all races who wish to increase their knowledge. We should all be willing to spread the news of this site to others no matter their race because a lot of the information listed here is not in history books or taught in school. So where else can learn or hear about it? Besides should the publishers of Black Enterprise magazine change their name or is it a useful venue that shows that "blacks" are an integral part of the business world and society as a whole. We need more sites and publications that highlight black people’s achievements to this country in order to educate everyone. This site is informative and uplifting and should be judged on that merit alone. I for one enjoy this site and will spread the word to others about it. Keep up the good work.
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    • 9/14/2006 12:34 PM Still Serving wrote:
      I agree, we don't need to label our publications with the race or ethnic group to catch the target audience. We can tell by the articles. Would we be offended if there was a White Military Magazine, it is not needed, it is clearly understood what is written for the majority whites.
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      1. 9/14/2006 7:02 PM Diane wrote:
        All military publications are white military publications and yes, a google search will reveal many exclusionary white organizations and no, we don't complain because it's always been so. We need to label it to attract those interested. I don't get black people who think we've somehow overcome and who are embarassed, seemingly, by declaration of race by blacks. All groups do it yet we, the only ones without a country, seem to think America has overcome its burying of black history. Whites recognize the need for a separate black history month and no blacks complain but when blacks acknowledge the same, all hell breaks loose. It makes no sense to me except realizing that many people live in denial and think their views of a happy family world are congruent with reality. According to Jubilee, the book, almost every military record, from the revolutionary war to Iraq, was broken by a black soldier. Our children need to know exactly how much and which contributions blacks have made to America and the world, in my opinion. If only it were so. Thank you for this publication. It's uplifting to me.
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        1. 11/3/2006 11:14 AM S Kuester wrote:
          "All military publications are white miliitary publications." Can you please explain that?
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    • 9/14/2006 6:15 PM G Walker wrote:
      I think the name of the website is quite important. I used Google to find this site so you can imagine my search terms. Now let's think back and when we were Active Duty, who did you mostly associate with? Hence the name for the site.
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    • 9/16/2006 9:38 AM Carlton Taylor wrote:
      EVERYTHING is in a name!!! (history, prejudice, pain, hope and understanding) If you say Black, you said a mouthful.
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    • 9/18/2006 3:08 PM Army Brat wrote:
      First of all I would like to say that I'm glad I found this site. I think its a great site and I will be on here more ofteh to read up on our history in the military. Now to address the "name" issue. The name of the site is what caught my eye. If it would've just said military world.com I never would've stopped to check it out. White military history is in your face all day everyday. Turn to the military history channel or discovery military if you don't believe me. Every once a while they might show a documentary about Black soldiers, but this site provides you with information that isn't really known to most Americans; Blacks especially. As for bein exclusive, the American Indian Movement is an organization who uses their racial indentity in their name. The name just specifies the fact that they are addressing issues that directly affect their people. That doesn't mean that they would exclude anyone from helping or support their cause because of race. What about all the HBCU's should they stop calling themselves Black colleges even though the majority of their students are Black. The issue shouldn't even be about the name it should be about the fact that this site even needed to be started just for Black soldiers to be acknowledged and to have their story told.
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      1. 9/18/2006 5:22 PM Diane wrote:
        Very well stated.
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    • 9/23/2006 3:00 AM Robert Gaines Sr. wrote:
      I'm retired military, and I have heard this same point stated before. It seems that a lot of black people are always ready to condem any organization that brings out the truth covering black involvment in this country, and its history. The sad part is they never seem to notice the fact that our involvment in this nations history be it military or public involvment has been left out in any other comentary except when it is brought out by an organization that is black and tells the truth. And if those people who like to use the excuse that black organizations are supposed to represent racism, they forget that most of those black organizations have a large white population that supports them because they see that the truth has been left out by their so called open organizations and they wish for the sepratism to stop just like we do. Our organizations such as the Victor Valley African American Chamber of Commerce is the only organization where we all can come together and be free of the racism in our community. The African Chamber has the most diverse membership of any organization in the state. It is where we control the playing field for a change and every one is accepted and treated equally. Our none black members tell us this is the only place where they can come and know that they are accepted as equals and are treated with respect and loved for who they are. When you listem to these people you also come to understand that we are being accepted and respected as equals also. It is whay past time we stop picking excuses in order to feel comfortable not supporting black organizations and start to realy got involved in the fight to eradicate racism in this country and around the world. Joining a black organization that stands for the truth and equality is just the starting point for us all. But the real first step is standing up for who you are as an American and then taking your place within its society as an equal.
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    • 9/25/2006 4:16 PM Anonymous wrote:
      I was taken away when I read this comment. Then I asked myself was the founder actually being racist. I don't think so. You see the founder of this website last name is Black. (CDR (Ret.) Gregory Black, Founder, Black Military World.com found and copied from another blog)

      So maybe the name of the site was to go either way. We will not know until the founder release such information. Either way you must admit this is a great site.
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    • 9/26/2006 10:21 AM B Irvine wrote:
      Until this country is a perfect race blind nation, in a perfect race blind world, a place like Black Military World is a helpful thing. To this day (and for decades into the future) there will be racial identification even among African Americans themselves. It is a positive thing for Black soldiers and officers to show the positives of military service to the Black community (and, yes, there is one), just as it is a positive thing for Black soldiers and officers to be positive role models and mentors to Black society and ultimately to the surrounding society.
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    • 9/27/2006 8:46 AM Army Girlfriend wrote:
      In my opinion, this website is a critically imperative necessity for African Americans in this country; to all citizens for that matter. It is about educating people and increasing their awareness, point blank period. Honestly, the name is essential for attracting those who ordinarily may not know about the unsung heroes of the African diaspora. This site is absolutely phenomenal and is an outstanding tool for African Americans primarily, and anyone else in this country connected to the military in some way should they choose... Black Military World is serving as a source of information all too often omitted from mainstream media. BMW got people talking didn't it?!?! OK then, mission in progress, each one reach one and each one teach one, Amen?

      O, and I seriously doubt that the name is after the founder, but it was a good hypothesis! Peace.
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    • 10/11/2006 3:20 PM Anonymous wrote:
      I agree with you thats a substantiate point of view.The fact of the matter is if we dont put it out there what we meaning (african americans)who will. You dont hear of the black solider in pearl harbor who died or we dont see on CNN the black solider's in Iraq that have laid there life on the line for their country. The name isn't representing more racism to the world it giving African american courage and strength to go on and have something to be proud of. To know that people have been fighting for us our whole life. Not only that but this site is like a learning tool. Half the things in the site i can say myself i didnt know until now they dont tech you these thing in basic training when they are giving you the history of whatever bracnch you serve. How would you have ever know this valuable information...wait on someone to tell you now they have enjoy what we have been giving and learn from it.
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    • 2/17/2008 1:35 PM Courtney Ellis wrote:
      I would have to say the name of this site is indeed warranted. Remember the black kings of Egypt didn't have a website. They were nearly lost to history for some time. As African Americans, it is our responsibility to put our accomplishments out there for all to see. How many site and videos do you see loaded with black soldiers marching down the streets of Iraq, Afghanistan, and various other countries around the world. I know they have because I am one. The name of this site my have great bearing on anyone choosing to look at it and see the accomplishments of the African American community. We are not an inferior race and we need to make that known to the rest of the world.
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