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Why do we blacks fight for America?

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This entry was posted on 9/14/2006 11:29 PM and is filed under General Discussion.

Last week I was the guest on a radio talk show out of Atlanta. A caller asked "Why would a black man or woman want to fight for a country that has abused and mistreated his people for hundreds of years."  From his tone, I could tell that he was heated up for a live on-air confrontation. To lessen the wind in his sails, I first assured him that his question has no doubt entered the minds of most African Americans at some time or another. As a disenchanted teenager growing up during the brutal civil rights years, I certainly harbored the question.

 

Then, I answered his question with total honesty, "Personally", I said, "I joined the military because 26 years ago, I was sick of my job and needed a change." That's the truth. Sorry, no patriotism, no blind dedication to the cry of democracy....It was just opportunity. I was offered free education, discipline, (which I desperately needed), travel and an exciting career.  I took advantage of it, and, guess what, it worked!  This is true of scores of other African Americans just like me. In fact, during WWII, Korea and Viet Nam eras, the military is was about the only place that a black man or woman could find decent employment with benefits, and a future.  And, millions of African Americans  living today have prospered because of it. To borrow the words of Malcolm X, "It's not a staggering thing, just common sense."

I paused, awaiting for a response from the caller. There was none, so I kept rolling. 

 

Secondly, I said, "Yes, I will rise up and defend this country because my mother, sisters, grandkids and everybody else that I love, live in this country! Anyone trying to invade these shores intending do harm to any of them will find me there waiting! And I'm a handful. Again, I'm sorry caller, but there was no sacrificial devotion to the flag, no blind dedication to any politician or even a government for that matter.


 I was also quick to point out that as black career military members, we don't individually don't pick our leaders any more that you pick the leaders where you work. Our top leaders are elected by the American people. Over my 21 year military career I've served under good military leaders, but I've also had bad ones.
 

 Each one of the 3.1 million living black veterans today, has his or her, own reason for serving. Some share my reasoning and some had radically different reasons. 

Perhaps you'd like to respond or offer your own answer to the question still haunting
most African Americans today, 

"Why would a black man of woman serve in this
Country's military?" 

Thanks for your fantastic support, this is only the begining!!! We're looking forward to hearing from you, here your thoughts and opinions matter! CDR (Ret.) Gregory Black, Founder, Black Military World.com

 

 

 

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    • 9/15/2006 8:29 AM Jody wrote:
      This site is WONDERFUL! I spent 4 years in the Air Force. I would have made a career out of it, but I met and married my husband who was also in. I didn't want to have children with BOTH of us being active duty, so I got out. My huband retired in 1998 after 20 years!

      I applaud your efforts in establishing this site for US! It is very informative and beautifully done. All the best to you!
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    • 9/15/2006 10:50 AM LTC Sammie Davis Jr wrote:
      As a 24 year Army officer and the husband of a 22 year retired Army veteran, I don't have a problem serving in the military. I will tell anyone that America is not perfect and we do have a legacy of racism and bigotry. But, we as African Americans have known this for years. That still does not take away my responsibilty as a "man" to do what ever I can to protect my family and the opportunities that are available here in this country if you will apply yourself and make some sacrifices. Secondly, many African-Americans went off to war to show non-beleivers that we as a people were capable of giving back to this thing we call freedom. I serve to honor the blood that they shed and died for so that I might have this opportunity. Finally, my girls will not have to experience the affects of 911 if I have anything to do with it and serving is my way of keeping that promise. Most of all, I serve so that people like Marting Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Harry Belafonte, civil rights activists, and others that speak out against injustice can safely do their job of protecting my civil rights. I would ask this question of all the individuals that won't serve, "Are you willing to die for your family's freedom?" Do you exercise your right to vote? Do you stress to your children the importance of education and hard work? Do you lead by example and uplift your black women and strees being dignified versus hoochified and trying to get paid at any cost? There are many ways to serve your community, your people, and your country, but I will not allow anyone to demean my service and that of countless others that allows you to think in this type of ignorant manner. I close with this statement, "It takes a village to raise a child." Are we a part of the this village called America or just a lot of talk and no substance?
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      1. 10/2/2006 4:19 AM Ted K, SFC wrote:
        LTC Sammie Davis Jr, I agree and support with much of what you said. It is along the line of what Bill Cosby said and was strongly condemned for by the African American community for. As far as your civil rights examples (Dr. King, Jesse Jackson, Harry Belafonte), Dr. King, got to love him, The Rev JJ, I can take him or leave him, but Harry Belafonte....NO WAY. He publicly sided with an adversary of the United States against our President and country. He is in my view no better then Sean Penn or Susan Sarandon and when you group questionable individuals with good men like Dr. King, it takes away from the credibility of the whole movement. Were Belafonte’s actions along the line of decades of frustration so now I will side with the enemy like the sudden growth of African American prison population converting to Islam post 911? President Bush lets Belafonte down and Jesus let the prisoners down, come on. I think it is true hatred of heart. Just my thoughts.
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    • 9/15/2006 11:03 AM Clint Austin wrote:
      I totally agree with Mr. Black's response. No one knows your story but you. I for one decided that I did not want to follow the norm in my hometown and work for John Deere for 30 years and retire. I wanted some substance to my life. So, I got out and joined the Navy for 3 years and the next thing I knew I was retiring. There was no thought of the flag or patriotism. It was just another job that took me places that I would not have gone. The Navy did not make a man out of me. I got that example from my father and have tried to pass it to my kids. Don't get me wrong, it had it's benefits that will stick with me for life. Would I give my life for the flag?? I think not! It is merely a piece of cloth and when people treat it with more respect and honor than their fellow man, it becomes their god (little g). I give my life only for God and my family and will not worship a flag or in other words, an idle. That does not mean I hate this country. I love where I live and understand that it would be hard to enjoy the same freedoms that I do here. However, I will not compromise right to get what I want. Back to the question: Years ago, this would have been a great question to ask and undoubtedly the response would have been overwhelmingly common, "This is not for us" because jim crow was alive and well all the way up to the 1970's it was in your face. After a few laws were enacted, it became institutionalized. I would be lying if I said I did not suffer some of the pains. However, I looked at the greater good and picked my fights which got me through. I will end in submitting to the person that asked the question. Do you believe that the same problems and prejudices that are still in our military today are even more prevelant in civilian society?

      God Bless
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    • 9/16/2006 2:13 PM W B New York wrote:
      I'd like to comment on founder Black's statement about why we serve in the military. I want to talk about why we DON'T serve in the military.

      Many African Americans, including myself, are blind to the military's opportunities and miss out on possible careers in the military, out of pure ignorance. I’ve always foolishly believed that African Americans in the military were Uncle Toms. When my best friends joined after high school in 1983, I cursed them out.

      Thanks to this website, my feelings have changed. As Mr. Black points out, all of the family and friends that I cherish live within the shores of this nation. And yes, I would help defend them to the end. Nobody questions that. What we object to is how the military has been used by top politicians for personal fortune and not national defense. But, who’s fault is that but the people who elect these leaders.

      We should not let this impact our perspective of the military and its many great benefits. This website has done a SUPERB job of demonstrating the positive aspects if the military and the many contributions man by black men and women. This is truly a proud aspect of our heritage. Thanks and I salute all of my brothers and sisters in the military. God bless W. B. Harlem, NY
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    • 9/19/2006 7:33 AM Clarence Williams wrote:
      I retired as a Major from the United States Air Force in July 1996 after serving faithfully for 20.33 years. The opportunity to serve strengthened my resolve to make a difference in the world. This came about through gaining appreciation for and understanding of self-discipline, pride, loyalty,integrity,corporateness, and esprit de corps. I was recognized for striking a remarkable balance between task orientation and relationship orientation. Your outstanding web site has sparked a renewed sense of servanthood in me. Thanks for being a leader with a sound vision.
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    • 9/19/2006 8:49 AM Tracey E Staggers wrote:
      Sir, I am a 48 year old Black female and I just wanted you to know that I joined the military for all of the same reasons that you did. I entered at the age of 19 and served 22 yrs. I figured if Uncle Sam was willing to train me in whatever I wanted to do, pay for my education, and allow me to travel all over the world, I had no problem fighting for my country. It wasn't patriotism, that came after I joined and saw what some other countries were like. I retired in 1999 and am now working for a government contractor in support of the US Army. Still supporting the troops and loving it
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    • 9/19/2006 1:57 PM Tawan Chester wrote:
      You are so right. We all have our own reasons for joining the military and the all are good ones. There are many that question the actions of another when they don't feel or share the same motivation. Many of my relatives before me served and fought in the wars of this country. My family didn't question why we ended up in this country but looking at the state of the country we came from we know that we are in a good place. We are well able to adapt and master our environment so let us join together, help one another, and move forward. This is now OUR Country therefore we defend it and our way of life to the death. We help other countries is because no one really likes a bully and we are able to help others in need.

      I enjoyed my tour of duty in the Navy and would do it again in a heartbeat. I currently give support to my husband who continues to serve not only this country but our family. I love this country because it is my home and the home of my family (past & future). This is a land flowing with milk and honey but if you never go out to possess it and keeping looking back at the negative things, you will never fully realize it.

      Most of the people that have a problem with our race in the military have never helped someone else without having an ulterior motive. They haven’t gone through the experience of helping another without getting some type of payment in return. Everyone will not always agree with everything but we should be able to agree that we like the opportunities that banding and fighting together have given us. Patriotic...maybe love for fellowman...could be, a desire to supply the best for ones family...hmm….All of that and more. Let us remember the past, learn from it, strategize together and move forward.

      Thank you for this opportunity and for the information that you are providing to future generations and to us. Tawan Chester www.dpublishing1.com
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    • 9/20/2006 11:12 PM Ronald Dye wrote:
      This is a great site its a long time coming. I will send the link to everyone.
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    • 9/21/2006 2:03 PM Shanyce Toy wrote:
      I'm currently in the U.S. Air Force and I just want to say I love this site, and it keep me going while I serve. I joined to get out of the hardships of my hometown in California, for education, to travel and do things we never knew existed. Being the only female in my family to join the military increases my desire to continue in my career. Respecting those before me, and continuing the legacy of African Americans to keep coming up, to protect our families, and have "A CHANCE!!"
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    • 9/21/2006 2:24 PM Robert Collins wrote:
      I recently retired from the military after serving my country for 30 years. You have no idea how many times I asked that question those first few days in basic training and my first year in the Navy. Was it for the flag, a sense of patriotism, family tradition, great pay, or retirement benefits? None of the above, I joined the Navy because I grew in a small racially segregated Alabama town with absolutely no opportunity for someone like me. I read and dreamed of places like London, Paris, Tokyo, etc. I promised myself if ever I got a chance to see the world, I would take it and never look back. The military gave me that chance and I since the day I took my oath of office I have never regretted it. In 30 years I have lived in three countries, traveled around the world more than a few times, and enjoyed adventures that most people only dream about. It has been everything and more than I expected and I learned something very important. In all those places I have visited, lived, and passed through, none of them come close to this country and what it provides. I learned discipline and respect, and not having a man in my house growing up, I learned what being a man is really about. So I'll answer your question this way; it's not why I joined, but why I decided to stay; because in 1974 there was no other organization on the face of this earth would give a poor black man from Alabama (with no qualification other than a will to succeed) a chance to start from ground zero and become anything I wanted to be. In mylast operational tour before retirement, I was assigned as Commodore of a squadron of ships deployed overseas responsible for over 20 ships and 600 people. Responsibility, job satisfaction, adventure, professional growth, that what's all about. Thanks for your question.
      Robert T. Collins, Captain, USN(ret.)
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    • 9/22/2006 1:51 AM PghRich wrote:
      What a great site. I after 8 years in the Nave (RM1) now wounder why an African American would serve in the service. I went in during the Korea and went in for the very same reason the CDR did. But now there are more opportunity for Black folks so it put them in a different position than we were in. By the way I only saw one (1) Black officer when I was in.

      Again the site is great
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    • 9/22/2006 12:18 PM LtCol Jackson Harris wrote:
      After 21 yrs in the USAF and seeing what I've seen over the years this website is quite refreshing. Like you CDR, I didn't get in becaue of undying patriotism, it was because I saw Gen Daniel "Chappie" James, first African American 4-star to command NORAD, on the cover of Ebony back in 1975. He was on teh ladder of his F-4 Phantom looking like he had it all together and that is the type of confidence and presence I want to have, in addintion to having the love of flight. So, from that point on I knew I was going to fly in the USAF and I did. Though I didn't get fighers, the bomber community welcomed me and having flown both the B-52 and
      B-1 bombers I have had an awesome career that I would gladly do again. I am "friend" rich because of the military and I don't think that my degree whould have afforded me the experiences that my USAF officership has provided me whne it comes to meeting and working with the people I have over the last 21 and a half years.

      Like you, I have family and friends who need me to carry the fight to ANYONE having the boldness to raise up against this country, my country! Not on my watch.

      I can honestly say I have friends worldwide and not just Americans, but also Germans, British, Italian, Korean and many more. I've been blessed to have been able to do this job and to say they paid me to fly is an awesome thing.

      I salute you for taking on this website project and thank you. Fair winds my friend.
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    • 9/26/2006 9:34 AM Bruce Irvine wrote:
      I was an Army officer who happened to be white. I grew up in the segregated NORTH (New Jersey), raised by somewhat bigoted parents. Without serving in the Army with African American soldiers and officers I never would have gotten to know that they were just like me (often better than me). I would have likely not been exposed deeply to legitimate African American culture with all the richness it brings to American society. I never would have known some of the greatest friends I now have and I never would have known how great a comrade an African American soldier (or officer) can be.
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    • 5/12/2007 5:28 PM Ken harris wrote:
      I totally agreed with the comments in this article, and wish to add that I had several older family members who were military retired, Navy, Army, and Marines. I joined right out of high school @ age 18, in 1970, and retired as a combat veteran persian gulf in Jan 99. I was medically reitred, and employed by the VA. I have seen bad Commanders, as well as Bad supervisors, I encountered racism, but more in the Civillian Sector, as the Military provided more chance for advancement if one applied his or her self. I Have been given employement because of my service,vs someone of color who has never served. I am now retired @ age 55 from all my civillian/military obligations and finally feel free to enjoy my life. My 1st wife was with me during my 1st tour in the Coast Guard, and became a Jehovah's witness, and tried to persuade me to leave the service, when I was trying to provide a home via the G.I. Bill/education. I tried to convence her of the military's duty which protects our constitutional freedoms for her to be able to worship as she pleased. They even convence her to not vote, even though the right to vote was sealed with the 1965 civil rights act being signed. Despite other problems we eventually divorced. The military for me was my BA, Masters, and PHD. I have run into many people who have stated to me that they would have had their 20 yrs in and wished they had stayed, and feel they are stuck in dead end jobs, with a lack of benefits equal to the military. I have also seen many young black servicemen put out on article 15's that ruined their lives, some their fault, and some from a white Nco"s /P.O's. or officer put the screws to them. You see a lot in 26years. I was in Norhtern Iraq when Rodney King was being beaten by the L.A. police and read it first hand on the Stars and Stripes Newspapers. That is when I questioned why I had come to the Persian Gulf, when these things were happening @ home. But to paraphrase the article, my Mother sisters and children live here in this country, and I will fight to the death to defend them. This country has problems, and always will. But the military is a way out. Its not the only way, But its a way. I have more to say, but I will save it for another time. The long gamble paid off.
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    • 9/12/2007 10:29 AM phil wrote:

      I'm on A/D with 8 years to go. I have mixed feelings about serving because of the constant Racism that never seems to get talked about. I doing very well but that not the case for alot of us in the military. I want to serve everyone the only thing that I ask in that we be treated fairly because we often don't get a fair shake. As I type this in 2007 it hurts that we still fight for something that alot of us say that we defend we asked. I would recommend that young black children get you education, because sometimes the military will take your fight and life in so many different ways that some of us get discharged (BCD) or (OTH) and that's a chance you take when you don't play the game as they say. I will retire someday but it's been hard because I choose to stand for something. I may not retire a E-9 but I will leave with something much more Education, Honorable Service and know that I did it the right way on my feet head held high nad most of all with my pride the same way it was when I entered, because I choose to fight for those who couldn't defend themselves within the military.


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      1. 9/24/2007 4:56 AM Lewis Hyman wrote:
        You Right No Body Talks About It.
        This What Happen Me!

        I was a six foot 160 lbs young man and I was good physical and mental health as there records show when I went to the local recruiter in the Federal Building in Richmond Va to volunteer. The recruiter asked me if I had graduated from High School. I said no and he said he would arrange for me to take the GED test. I and others took the test, and a few days later the recruiter called my home and told me that I passed the GED test.

        I took the oath and I was sent to Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio Texas. On the first day of basic training I was assaulted by the Technical Instructor- Sergeant --------. I and three other airmen were standing around talking and a question came up so I decided to ask the T.I.Sergeant ------. I walked to his office and knocked on the door. He opened it, saw my dog chain was not under my T shirt, and snatched my dog chain from around my neck with a yanking pull, as if he was trying to start a hard to start lawn mower. My head snapped back as if someone hit me with a good upper cut. I stood there looking at him with tears coming from my eyes wanting know why did he do that. Because he was there to help us, this behavior was unbecoming a T.I. --------------- and other Black airmen saw what happen to me but they said they would not say anything until they get out of basic training.

        ---------- called some one and said he needed help and come up to the office. He put down the phone then started to pick up a standing ashtray as if he was try to provoke me, so I turned around and went to my bed. The next morning I woke up, I complained to him that my neck was hurting, and that I needed to go to the Doctor. The Doctor examined me and told me that something had formed in my neck where the dog chain had been pulled. The Doctor set me up an appointment to come back the next day.

        When I went back to my next appointment they had switched the Doctor and this one told me nothing was wrong with me. I complained about my treatment from the Doctor. When I got back to my flight, a new T.I. was there. He asked me to come with him and we went into a classroom. He told me that if I said any thing about what happened, bad things could happen. The second time he asked me to come with him I stood looking at him because I did not know what he was going to do. Three white airmen were standing near us, he told them to grab me, and so the biggest man grabbed me from behind with his arms up under my arms, with hands on my neck, and tried to push me forward. This caused more pain in my neck. I knew there was a locker behind us so I pushed backward with a lot of force so he would let me go. He did.
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        1. 10/11/2007 6:25 AM jas wrote:
          Young Man in the AF, are you saying this happened to you in 2007 and you didnt report those bamas, son please speak up so we can get rid of those bigoted officers or enlisted who still think God gave them rights to mistreat people
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